February 23, 2010 12:45PM
Fire at Norval Meats, Proton Station
Topic by Rachel
Reply by Gruff Pastures
February 23, 2010 01:13PM
Hopefully it was not an anti-horse slaughter protest. 
Reply by MBRA518
February 23, 2010 01:18PM
I thought they stopped doing horses there years ago???
Reply by Rachel
February 23, 2010 01:25PM
They were shut down but now back at it for a while now. One of the olex buyers ships in Tues night I heard.
Reply by Giantpony
February 23, 2010 01:30PM
I hope there will be more to come on this story... certainly is suspicious. 
GP
GP
Reply by MBRA518
February 23, 2010 02:08PM
Yah, does look suspicious - but hey - it's a lot closer to OLEX than Quebec or Alberta.... all else being equal a shorter trip is easier on the horses.
Reply by Giantpony
February 23, 2010 04:30PM
MBRA518,
I agree totally... IF slaughter has to happen, shortening the transport is certainly in the horses best interest.
GP
I agree totally... IF slaughter has to happen, shortening the transport is certainly in the horses best interest.
GP
Reply by JazzMan
February 23, 2010 04:38PM
Unfortunately most of the horses slaughtered at Norval seemed to be from the States...and therefore most OLEX horses go the 8-10 hrs. to Quebec (or god forbid, Alta) I believe.
Reply by FalseImpression
February 23, 2010 10:41PM
I still don't think slaughter HAS to happen... owners should be responsible for euthanizing their own horses and the EU can darn well eat their own horses. But money, always money... To me, slaughter is making it easy for irresponsible people. I will never agree to it and I don't want to hear "it's a necessary evil"... that's condoning it! And don't tell me neglect and abuse will increase. It has always existed, slaughter or not.
Reply by Noodle
February 23, 2010 10:57PM
Well maybe when it is rebuilt, it can designed with animals in mind, and have that special 'spiral' pattern to it, that is supposed to keep the beasts relaxed.
Reply by MBRA518
February 23, 2010 11:18PM
FI I completely agree with this
'owners should be responsible for euthanizing their own horses and the EU can darn well eat their own horses'
But problem is they are not..... and no one if going to make them. In an ideal world this would work - but it's not. And shutting down legal slaughter houses just drives the whole thing underground.... with no regulation - I think it was fugly that posted something on some in Florida recently - scary from a human consumption and animal welfare POV. Look at the US - the only thing that happened with them closing slaughter plants was the horses now have to travel farther and/or to unregulated Mexico.... I don't see how that helped any horses.
IMO the slaughter debate is a moot point until the backyard/crappy breeders are under control.... Good breeders seem to adjust to the lowered demand - and the crappy breeders just keep going.... not good for the horse industry as a whole - look at the resent seizure...34 horses - many unhandled.... what will happen to them? If you can't get those people to feed them - good luck getting them to shell out the coin the have them PTS. There is a place I drive by and all horses are turned out - started with 3 mares - then they had foals.... and the next year - 3 more .... this year - we will see.... I don't know the story, and they are taken care of... but 9 horses in 1 paddock with 1 run in shed does not scream 'quality breeder' to me. That level is where this whole thing has to start if it is to be turned around. But that's just IMO.
'owners should be responsible for euthanizing their own horses and the EU can darn well eat their own horses'
But problem is they are not..... and no one if going to make them. In an ideal world this would work - but it's not. And shutting down legal slaughter houses just drives the whole thing underground.... with no regulation - I think it was fugly that posted something on some in Florida recently - scary from a human consumption and animal welfare POV. Look at the US - the only thing that happened with them closing slaughter plants was the horses now have to travel farther and/or to unregulated Mexico.... I don't see how that helped any horses.
IMO the slaughter debate is a moot point until the backyard/crappy breeders are under control.... Good breeders seem to adjust to the lowered demand - and the crappy breeders just keep going.... not good for the horse industry as a whole - look at the resent seizure...34 horses - many unhandled.... what will happen to them? If you can't get those people to feed them - good luck getting them to shell out the coin the have them PTS. There is a place I drive by and all horses are turned out - started with 3 mares - then they had foals.... and the next year - 3 more .... this year - we will see.... I don't know the story, and they are taken care of... but 9 horses in 1 paddock with 1 run in shed does not scream 'quality breeder' to me. That level is where this whole thing has to start if it is to be turned around. But that's just IMO.
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